if it is not otherwise made confidential, and i need to analyze that further, i would think that it may be subject to disclosure, albeit in a redacted form. the question before you isn't whether these documents can be ordered disclosed, it is whether these officials have committed a violation of the ordinance. >> and that is itself, wrapped up into this analysis and i'm sorry i can't help you any further. i hope that does something to help. thanks. >> commissioners, ray heart, san francisco, open government, now that this ethics committee is holding meetings on sfgtv in full view of the public it becomes more apparent how much of an enabler this body has been, it enables city bodies and personnel to evade their daoulties under the law and to hide that from public scrutiny.